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    • My IVF Cycle Failed – What Went Wrong? Question #5: I Expected More Eggs – Why Were There So Few?

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      This is the fifth in a series of responses to common questions about Failed IVF Treatment.

      One of the biggest disappointments to patients undergoing IVF is to be informed after the egg retrieval, that there were far fewer eggs harvested than initially anticipated. In order to understand what causes this unfortunate situation and how to best prevent it from occuring, it is necessary to understand a few basic principles:

      • The first concept that needs to be appreciated is that the egg retrieval procedure is relatively simple and technically very easy to perform in almost all cases.So, when fewer eggs are harvested than the number of follicles available, it is rarely due to a lack of technical expertise.
      • The second important concept is that the egg plays a critical role in orchestrating follicular development. So it should come as no surprise that smaller follicles (less than 15 mm in mean diameter on the day of hCG trigger) are far more likely to contain grossly abnormal eggs and are thus also the ones that are less likely to yield the egg at the time of the egg retrieval.
      • Third; all ovarian follicles contain eggs, so when at egg retrieval fewer eggs are harvested than the number of follicles present, it usually means that the eggs were not successfully retrieved from some of the follicles.

      The egg release during normal ovulation: Normally, the egg is readily released within 38-42 hours of the initiation of the LH surge.For this to happen, the cumulus cells that surround the egg and bind it to the inner wall of the follicle must first disperse, allowing the egg to become loosely attached to the inner wall.Then, with the rupture of the follicle, the egg comes free and is ready to be transported to the fallopian tube for fertilization by an awaiting sperm.It is important to understand that the dispersion of the cumulus cells is orchestrated by signals emitted by the egg in response to the onset of the LH surge.An egg that is grossly chromosomally abnormal (complex aneuploid) is often incapable of signaling these cells to “loosen up” sufficiently, in preparation for ovulation.

      The egg release during controlled ovarian stimulation (COS): the follicle/egg must first develop optimally under hormonal stimulation; at this point, the hCG trigger (analogous to the spontaneous LH surge) causes the egg to signal the surrounding cumulus cells to disperse.Thereupon, ovulation will occur about 38-42 hours after the LH surge has started, provided that the cells attaching the egg to the inner wall of the follicle have sufficiently “loosened”.

      With in vitro fertilization, the egg retrieval is scheduled for 34-38 hours following the hCG trigger, prior to spontaneous ovulation. At this point (provided that the surrounding cells have dispersed sufficiently, allowing the egg to be suspended loosely from the wall of the follicle) the application of a suction force allows the egg to enter the needle and so be delivered to the collecting test tube and the laboratory.

      However, in circumstances where the egg is severely aneuploid, it might not have the ability to respond to the hCG by signaling the surrounding cumulus cells to disperse sufficiently. In such cases, it might not be captured with standard needle aspiration.When this happens, the doctor usually resorts to flushing the follicle with media in the hope that this will detach the egg and allow it to be captured with subsequent aspiration.This sometimes works, but in other cases, the egg will fail to be released in spite of repeated flushings.In my experience, failure of the egg to release after one single flushing usually suggests that it is chromosomally abnormal.In such cases, even if further flushing causes it to be released, it will usually turn out to be “incompetent” (i.e., grossly chromosomally abnormal) and incapable of propagating a normal embryo upon fertilization.

      The issue of harvesting too few eggs usually centers around poor egg quality (incompetence/aneuploidy) and those factors that promote this unfortunate situation.I have repeatedly pointed to the fact that advancing age (beyond 35 years) is associated with a progressive decline in egg competency due to a “wear and tear” effect over time. It should therefore come as no surprise that in older women there is an increased propensity for certain follicles to not yield eggs.

      I’ve also alluded to the fact that the protocol of ovarian stimulation (which establishes the environment for egg development), as well as the timing of the hCG trigger, can influence the potential for egg incompetence (aneuploidy), and thus influence the likelihood that follicles will yield eggs at the time of attempted aspiration.Older women, as well as those who have diminished ovarian reserve, and those with polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS) are especially vulnerable in this regard.In such women, it is thus critical that an individualized approach to COS be taken to COS.It is also important and that protocols such as “micro-flare” that induce increased LH release and ovarian testosterone productionbe avoided, as should the administration of gonadotropins that contain large concentrations of LH (e.g., Menopur) in such women.

      What about “Empty Follicle Syndrome?”With this situation, a woman who has developed follicles ends up with absolutely no eggs harvested, and this is glibly attributed to the fact that there were no eggs present in her follicles in the first place.In other words, her follicles were “empty.”Since all follicles have eggs, this is a contradiction in fact.Such cases are usually due to all the woman’s eggs having remained densely adhered to the inner follicle walls, due to them being severely abnormal and incapable of signaling surrounding cells to disperse.It should come as no surprise that many of these women are either older, have PCOS, or diminished ovarian reserve.The only remedy is to individualize the protocol of ovarian stimulation in a subsequent COS cycle so as to avoid overexposure of the developing follicles to an exaggerated LH induced ovarian testosterone response.This might not always be successful, but it certainly offers the best possible chance in a subsequent attempt at IVF.

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      15 Responses to “My IVF Cycle Failed – What Went Wrong? Question #5: I Expected More Eggs – Why Were There So Few?”

      1. Just to clarify I thought that even with a recording of low ovarian reserve due to damage from endometriosis and cysts that does not mean if you are younger in age you cant get good quality eggs even if lower number of follicles …Im only 32 and I am about to have egg pick up
        9 follicles on one and 4 on other with 5 over 10mm at current

      2. You are correct!

        Good luck!

        Geoff Sher

      3. Thanks Geoff I thought so thanks for clarifying

      4. Amber says:

        I have also heard that sometimes the cause can be with the HCG trigger either not being absorbed properly or not administered correctly, can you comment on that?

      5. Dear "One perfect emby",

        You are indeed welcome.

        Geoff Sher

      6. Hi Amber,

        You correct. Timing is critical and it is rarely wise to drop the hCG dose to 5,000 as is sometimes suggested in cases of over stimulation. Also, I am not a fan of Ovidrel, unless the dosage is doubled. In my opinion, it lacks the biological potency at the dosage recommended.In fact I neve4r prescribe Ovidrel for that reason. It is more expensive by far than 10,000U of regular hCG (Novarel, Pregnyl, Profasi) and is no more effective, even at double the dosage as I have recommended.

        Geoff Sher

      7. klbklyn says:

        Dr Sher,

        I'm in the waiting phase, post-transfer, after my first ivf cycle. I'm thinking ahead in the event we don't get the hoped-for news…

        I am 39, with diagnosed low ovarian reserve (fsh 9.2 and amh 0.3). My protocol was estrogen patch with ganirelix, which triggered menses within a few days, followed by 200 menopur and 375 gonal-f until a few days before ovulation when they dropped my gonal-f to 200 and added ganirelix to postpone natural ovulation, because I had 3 good follicles on the left and 3 smaller ones on the right. I believe the intent was to give the right side a chance to ' catch up'.

        I had 10,000U of novarel to trigger. At retrieval, they only got 3 eggs. I was pretty sad as that seemed to give me such a low chance of conceiving. But i was lucky in that all 3 were mature and fertilized with ICSI. So all went back in 3 days later.

        Given your comments about egg aneuploidy, I am not counting my chickens. What I'm wondering is whether the protocol contributed to the low egg yield, especially in the light of your comments on high LH inducing mess like menopur? If we are not successful, do you think there is anything I can do to increase my yield in a future ivf– as I don't imagine the "3 for 3" situation will be repeated!

        Advice Aston what questions to ask my RE would be much appreciated.
        Many thanks,
        Kate

      8. Hi klbklyn,

        So sorry I never responded before.

        Yes indeed, there is a distinct possibility that the protocol of stimulation played a role here. While a more aggressive protocol could have resulted in more eggs, it is not so much a matter of the # of eggs but rather there quality ("competence".

        Undoubtedly with your DOR time is a real concern. In my opinion you will probably do best on an agonist/antagonist conversion protocol (LA-8) and that would protect the growth and development of eggs that start out with the potential to propagate "competent", euploid mature eggs.

        Might I suggest that you call 800-780-7437 and set up a telephone consultation with me so we can discuss your case in detail.

        Geoff Sher

      9. klbklyn says:

        Thank you so much for the response! I will contact you shortly by phone.

      10. You are most welcome!

        Geoff Sher

      11. mum2oneds says:

        Dr Sher, I know that you use LH (luveris) for your protocols. Are they for patients who have diagnosed lower than normal LH levels? Or do you prescribe that as a routine?

      12. Either 37.5U of Luveris or 37.5U Menopur because you MUST have some LH exposure for follicles to develop.

        Geoff Sher

      13. SBreezy says:

        I wanted ton know if there are hormones that increase the amount of eggs and then helps with the develpopment of healthy eggs and if so can i have say 55-60 eggs retrieved and most of them fertilized and then have the healthy blastocysts implanted, im currently 25.

      14. Valentina says:

        I am 46 years old fsh 18 I had 1 failed iui and now on the 2 week wait. I am interested in having ivf done, what do you think my chances are? I have no medical problems very healthy and husband has no health probems we have both been tested. Last cycle I was on clomid 100mg had 7 follicles on day of iui I had 2 mature follicles measuring 18mm &39mm. e2=759 p4=2 on 7dp iui e2=177 p4=26

        • Geoffrey Sher says:

          Unfortunately at age 46, given that age is the main factor that affects egg/embryo quality, the chances with IVF using own eggs are very poor. You should consider egg donation exclusively, in my opinion.Might I recommend that you go to the home page on this site, find a “search bar” in the upper right hand column and type in “Egg Donation” into the bar, click and it will take you to all the relevant articles I posted there.”

          You might consider calling 800-780-7437 or 702-699-7437 to arrange a video conference (or Skype) consultation (free of charge to those who reside in the United States or Canada). If need be, someone from SIRM-Patient Relations can contact you in advance of the consultation and assist you in setting this up through your computer. Such audiovisual interaction it is much more personable than a discussion by telephone. However, if you prefer the latter, this too can be arranged.

          Geoff Sher

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