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    • IVF Failure: The Value of a 2nd Opinion

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      Preface: It frustrates me no end that so many couples who have failed to conceive following IVF are often glibly confronted with platitudes such as “It was just bad luck … so just try again,” and in the process are left “spinning their wheels,” feeling abandoned. While “bad luck” could indeed sometimes be a factor, this is not often the case, especially when, in spite of the transfer to the uterus of microscopically “good quality” embryos, the woman fails (often repeatedly) to conceive. The problem is further magnified when it comes to older women for whom time is running out because of an inevitable age-related decline in egg quality (“competency”), and in cases of diminished ovarian reserve (DOR) where the woman’s supply of eggs is rapidly becoming depleted. Most patients who have failed to conceive with IVF intuitively believe that something might have been overlooked in their cases and that, were the issue(s) to be identified, they could be remedied.

      Frankly, given all of the good fortune and opportunity afforded me over a 30 year career in the field of IVF , I feel a strong compulsion to put my extensive experience to work where it can do most good and to offer it unconditionally to infertile patients. This is particularly relevant since several major medical advances that I and my colleagues introduced over the years could be applied to the diagnosis and treatment of many such problems, and make a real difference. These include:

      a) In-roads made with regard to defining individualized protocols for ovarian stimulation
      b) The Introduction of clinical Comparative Genomic Hybridization (CGH) embryo selection

      c) The role of Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction (IID) in failed IVF

      It is against this background that I have elected (for the foreseeable future) to offer detailed IVF telephone consultations, free of charge to all US and Canadian patients who are interested in my opinion, regardless of where they subsequently choose to be treated. Accordingly, I have designated specific times (daily) in my schedule for this purpose. Please call 800-780-7437 to schedule or submit the request form HERE.

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      IVF treatment always exacts a profound emotional and financial toll on patients/couples. Needless to say, the financial burden is often crippling However, ask any woman who has undergone IVF and she will likely tell you that the emotional impact was by far the most devastating….especially when the IVF treatment cycle failed to bring her a baby.

      The truth is that even in the simplest of cases (i.e. younger women who have normal ovarian reserve with fertile male partners), and in the most capable of hands, at best 50% will give birth to a baby following the transfer of 1-2 morphologically “normal” embryos. More than 70% will achieve success after two fresh embryo transfers. When this fails to happen, the question will invariably arise as to why the failure occurred.

      Currently, in excess of 90% of the IVF patients I treat have at least one prior failed attempt before consulting with me, and more than 80% have failed IVF at least 3 times prior to seeking my services. I could cite many cases where patients have even endured as many as 10 or more prior IVF failures. But there is one case in particular that is permanently embedded in my memory and which highlights the importance of an individualized approach to treating infertility patients, especially when it comes to those with prior IVF failures.

      The patient was a 42 year old physician who hailed from Australia. She had endured 23 prior unsuccessful embryo transfers over a period of more than a decade. By the time I got to know her she had developed severely diminished ovarian reserve (her day 3 FSH was 26MIU/ml). After a lengthy telephone consultation with me, I urged her to send a blood sample from Melbourne, Australia to a reputable Reproductive Immunology Reference Laboratory in Southern California for testing, to screen for immunologic implantation dysfunction (IID). It soon became apparent that she had an autoimmune thyroid condition (antithyroid antibodies) plus activation of uterine Natural Killer Cells (NKa+). After putting her on an aggressive agonist/antagonist conversion protocol (A/ACP) with estrogen priming and treating her with selective immunotherapy, I harvested (just) three eggs and subsequently transferred two embryos to her uterus. She conceived on this cycle and gave birth to a very healthy baby boy nine months later.

      So then…what are the most common reasons for “unexplained” IVF failure, and what can be done to deal with them?

      To adequately address these two all-important questions, we first need to recognize and understand that with the exception of poor technical skill in performing embryo transfer, IVF failure is virtually always due to one of the following two causes, which I will address below:

      A. Embryo “Incompetence” (+/- 75% of cases)
      B. Dysfunctional/Failed Embryo Implantation (+/- 25% of cases)

      A. Embryo Incompetence
      What is critical to understand here is that it is the chromosomal integrity (“competence”) of the embryo that is the main determinant of its ability to propagate a normal pregnancy. It is almost always the egg (rather than the sperm) that determines this factor. Only a mature egg (MII) that is numerically chromosomally normal (with 23 chromosomes – also known as a “euploid” egg) at the time of egg retrieval can propagate a “competent” embryo. No manipulation in the IVF laboratory, be it assisted hatching, embryo co-culturing, specialized fancy culture media, or even cytoplasmic transfer from a different (euploid) egg can cause an egg that has an irregular quota of chromosomes (aneuploid) to propagate a competent/euploid embryo (i.e. 46 chromosomes). Patients should be highly skeptical of any suggestion to the contrary. Simply stated, an embryology laboratory can only grow competent embryos from competent eggs.

      Thus, egg competency at the time of egg retrieval will ultimately determine the ability to generate competent embryos for embryo transfer. By the time the egg is extracted, the “die has been cast” What this means is that aside from the woman’s age – which influences the percentage of her eggs that will have the potential to develop into euploid mature (MII) eggs following hormonal stimulation – the only manner by which we as IVF physicians can influence egg quality is by applying an individualized approach to ovarian stimulation. Without such an approach, egg development will often be compromised (especially in older women, in those with PCOS, and in women with DOR). Then, the hCG “trigger” would be much more likely to cause disorderly rearrangement of egg chromosomes, leading to a greater likelihood of egg incompetence (aneuploidy) and ultimately to incompetent embryos.

      Today, through the use of full embryo chromosomal assessment (i.e. full karyotyping) using CGH, we can identify “competent” embryos for selective transfer. The use of this technique is both diagnostic (in that it allows us to determine whether the cause of IVF failure is embryo incompetence or an implantation issue) and therapeutic (in that we can thereupon selectively transfer only one or two embryos at a time and achieve almost a 70% pregnancy rate while virtually eliminating the chance of high-order multiples (triplets or greater). CGH embryo selection is of special relevance and value in cases of older women or those with DOR for whom “Staggered IVF” with embryo banking is of particular value.

      Dysfunctional or Failed Implantation

      Endometrial thickness (as measured by ultrasound) is described elsewhere. We previously have published that an ideal endometrium measures at least 9mm in thickness at the time of maximal estrogen stimulation. We have also pointed to the importance of excluding the existence of surface lesions that protrude into the uterine cavity (polyps, fibroid tumors or scarring) as they can, by creating an adverse uterine environment, lead to failed implantation. Only a hysteroscopy or a hysterosonogram (saline ultrasound) can diagnose the latter which needs to be treated surgically before embarking on IVF. A hysterosalpingogram (HSG) is too inaccurate to accomplish this.

      Then there is the ever-important and (through either arrogance or ignorance) commonly overlooked issue of immunologic implantation dysfunction (IID) that should always be evaluated and addressed in cases of unexplained or repeated IVF failure. Frankly, since in the absence of Nka+, immunologic problems (regardless of cause) are not likely to cause IID, and given the fact that most of my IVF patients come to see me because of repeated failures in the past, I test almost everyone initially for Nka. If the test result comes back positive, we expand immunologic testing to look for the underlying cause. This having been said, I cannot overemphasize how important it is to always have a high index of suspicion regarding the possibility that failure could be due to IID in any patient who has had an unexplained IVF failure in the past.

      To schedule a free telephone consultation with Dr. Sher, please call 800-780-7437, or fill out and submit the form HERE.

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      18 Responses to “IVF Failure: The Value of a 2nd Opinion”

      1. Chon says:

        Dr Sher it is because of you that I investigated NK cells and found a FS in Australia (and one that you deal with from what I understand) that was willing to investigate it. I have had 5 transfers and 1 miscarriage and was told repeatedly that it was a numbers game. After testing for NK cells it was found I had much higher than average levels. It makes me furious that my first 5 transfers with really great, exceptional quality embryos could have been avoided with a simple test.

        I am in the last week of my my new cycle with the new specialist and whist I am not feeling 100% confident due to egg quality issues this time I still feel more confident than I ever did with any of my other transfers.

        I agree 100% in terms of the money. It annoys me but it doesn't worry me one bit, it is the emotional pain of failing repeatedly despite being text book perfect and the complete arrogance of some doctors to not investigate reasons for "unexplained infertility". Thank you for trying to shed light on this issue and for challenging the status quo.

      2. Thank you so much for your comments.

        Good luck and please keep me in the loop!

        Geoff Sher

      3. Jamie says:

        I am a patient at SIRM and will be receiving Intralipids due to elevated NKCs during this IVF cycle. However, when I tell people about this diagnosis AND treatment, I meet a lot of resistance due to the lack of evidence. I want to believe that these immune issues truly exist and that the Intralipids are a valid, effective treatment, but I think more high quality research in this area would really help people to "buy" into these issues. I know you feel strongly about immunologic treatment for infertility, so I was wondering if you had any research studies in the works to help other medical professionals understand these issues better.

      4. mum2oneds says:

        Yes Dr Sher. I strongly loathe those doctors who just keeping doing the routine. They never go the extra mile to investigate. It is most crucial for older women as their time is running out. I appreciate your blog which educates us IVFers. Honestly, we cannot just be blind patients, we have to be educated because a lot of doctors cannot be trusted anymore. Thanks for your blog!

      5. johncooney says:

        Doctor Sher, we have just been through CGH in the uk and all 5 good quality embryos came back as abnormal. We opted for CGH after first try was abandoned due to not stimulating enough eggs. I had 3 failed ivf with previous partner. My history is sperm banked after testicular cancer. Are you able to offer any advice? Does the 5 abnormal suggest a bigger egg/sperm issue? Thank you for reading

      6. Julie says:

        Dr Dr Sher,
        I wrote you in September while I was waiting the result of my 2nd IVF attempt, that turned out to have failed. I explained that my situation was that I was 42 years old and that my spouse had a fertility issue. During my 2nd IVF attempt I took DHEA on medical advice. My protocol was an Antagonist protocol. Since then I read your opinion and concerns regarding DHEA and seeking for individualized approach to ovarian stimulation. In Quebec where I live, the government has been funding IVF since August 2010, and as a result patients followed for IVF don't have much to say when facing the doctors at the fertility clinic. So, I am allowed to have a 3rd IVF attempt, and I talked to my doctor about maximizing my chances of success with a better protocol for me, such as A/ACP with estrogen priming (my first two attempts had been with an Antagonist protocol), and my doctor told me that the protocols I had had were already with estrogen priming, and now the protocol assigned to me for the 3rd attempt is what they call the 'SMART protocol' (stimulation with minimal adverse effects, retrieval and transfer) in order to maximize the egg quality rather than the number. Have you ever heard of this protocol and if so, do you think it could indeed do any better than the Antagonist protocol? Thank-you for any answer,

        Julie

      7. Thank you for your response!

        Good luck!

        Geoff Sher

      8. Might I suggest that you call 702-699-7437 and set up a telephone consultation to discuss this very important consideration.

        Geoff Sher

      9. Sorry Julie!

        I have not heard of the "SMART" protocol.

        Geoff Sher

      10. kamodini gopalan says:

        Dear Dr. Sherr,

        Yesterday, I had 3 early blasts transferred. Out of 13 eggs, 9 fertilized, with ISCI, and 4 were early blasts on day 5. We transferred 3 good looking ones. I am 33 yr old woman. Had 3 ivfs in the past where embroys got mostly arrested in after day 3. In my first ivf, i had one perfect blast transferred and got blighted ovum. What are my odds this time around?

        Your insight would be highly appreciated.

        Best,
        Kamodini

        • Geoffrey Sher says:

          I would not have transferred >2 blasts. However, provided you do not have an implantation issue and the Embryo transfer was done expertly, you should have >50% chance of a baby. If you do not succeed, consider calling 800-780-7437 or 702-699-7437 to arrange a Skype consultation (free of charge to those who reside in the United States or Canada) with me so we can discuss your case .

          Geoff Sher

      11. kamodini gopalan says:

        Dr. Sherr,

        If i understand correctly, early blasts have equal chance as fully blown blast? As far as the transfer is concerned, it is done by one of your former SIRM colleagues. We had estradiol level of 6661 so had to coast for 2 days. Will that have ant impact on the outcome? Looking foreward. Best, Kamodini

        • Geoffrey Sher says:

          If the coast was well timed, it should be fine. However it needs to commence as soon as 50% of follicles have attained a 14mm mean diameter and the E2 is >2500pg/ml. If the coast is started too late then by the time of ER the follicles have become too large (cystic) and the egg quality is compromised.

          Geoff Sher

      12. kamodini gopalan says:

        Dr. Sherr,

        My clinic told us that the embryos were early blast, but when i compare them with the pictures in peer-reviewed journals, i feel, they were at best, later stage morula. What is the success rate like for 3 morula transfer in your experience?

      13. Shannon says:

        After 7 failed IVF cycles and after having recently discovered your excellent website, I am considering the issue of natural killer cells (although, none of the clinics in my town deal with this issue). Before I started IVF I did fall pregnant naturally (but then had a miscarriage late in the 1st trimester. Does the fact that I was able to fal pregnant mean that I am unlikely to have problems with NKCs or can their levels in the body vary over time? Many thanks Dr Sher

      14. Amanda says:

        Dr Sher,
        I have gone through 3 fresh cycles &1 FET which resulted in pregnancy but miscarriage at 8 weeks. Consequently after discovering that my husband has a translocation problem, I continued with 3 CGH IVF cycles, whereby the first resulted in no euploid embryos. The third and current CGH cycle, I had 48 eggs harvested, 33 fertilized and 5 went on to become blastocysts. CGH PGD revealed only 2 chromosomally normal blast (5BA & 3BB) & I did a 6 day transfer with both. I am doing my beta tomorrow but I know this cycle did not work because I started spotting on the 8th day post transfer. I don’t know what went wrong as the blasts and lining were good. What else should I do if I were to attempt another try in the next few months ? Btw, I am 34 yrs old and hubby is 35, and ovarian response have always been good either on long or short protocol. What else should I look into with these consecutive failures ?

        6-day transfer with both.

        • Geoffrey Sher says:

          I do not know why, but all three of the last posts I have responded to , today (“Amruta”, “Lisa” and now you “Amanda”) all seem to be related to the same issue (i.e., implantation dysfunction …possibly immunologic in origin”. Please read them and then give me call at 800-780-7437 and set up a Skype consultation so we can talk face to face.

          Geoff Sher

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