Endometriosis: IVF is Much More Succesful and Cost-effective Than IUI
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When women with infertility due to endometriosis seek treatment they are all too often advised to undergo ovarian stimulation with intrauterine insemination (IUI) ………as if to say that this would be just as likely to result in a baby as would in vitro fertilization (IVF). Nothing could be further from fact. It is time to set the record straight. And hence this blog!
Let me start by saying that regardless of age or the severity of her disease, women with infertility due to endometriosis are at least 5 times more likely to have a baby per treatment cycle of IVF than with IUI. The recent introduction of low cost Micro IVF (http://www.haveababy.com/ ), where qualifying women can undergo IVF at a per treatment cost that is comparable to gonadotropin medicated IUI, makes the understanding of this fact even more relevant. Besides, when one considers treatment in terms of the cost per baby rather than cost per treatment, then the benefit of doing IVF first rather than as a last resort becomes apparent.
So then, why is it that many doctors still recommend IUI preferentially to women with endometriosis? Perhaps it is in part self-serving, given the fact that most doctors do not have IVF programs but are still readily able to provide and be remunerated for IUI services. Or maybe it is because they believe that all such women (who usually have regular ovulation, patent Fallopian tubes and fertile male partners) need is to have multiple ovulations at a time and so increase the odds that at least one embryo will take and propagate a baby. But this is a total misperception. It fails to take important factors involved in the complex genesis of endometriosis-related infertility into account.
So let me take a stab at explaining why IVF is far more successful than IUI in the treatment of endometriosis-related infertility:
Endometriosis is a condition where the lining of the uterus (the endometrium) grows outside the uterus. After a time these deposits bleed and when the blood absorbs it leaves a visible pigment that can be identified upon surgical exposure of the pelvis. Such endometriotic deposits invariably produce and release toxins” into the pelvic secretions that coat the surface of the membrane (the peritoneum) that envelops all abdominal and pelvic organs, including the uterus, tubes and ovaries. These toxins are referred to as “the peritoneal factor”. Following ovulation, the egg(s) must pass from the ovary (ies), through these toxic secretions to reach the sperm lying in wait in the outer part the fallopian tube (s) tube(s) where, the sperm lie in waiting. In the process of going from the ovary(ies) to the Fallopian tube(s) these eggs become exposed to the “peritoneal toxins” which alter s the envelopment of the egg (i.e. zona pellucida) making it much less receptive to being fertilized by sperm. As a consequence, if they are chromosomally normal such eggs are rendered much less likely to be successfully fertilized. Since all women with endometriosis have this problem, it is not difficult to understand why they are invariably far less likely to conceive following natural or fertility-drug-induced ovulation. In fact because of this problem a young ovulating woman with (even mild) endometriosis is likely to have less than a 5% chance of conceiving naturally per month of trying as compared to 15-20% for women of comparable age, who do not have endometriosis. This “toxic peritoneal factor impacts on eggs that are ovulated whether spontaneously (as in natural cycles) or following the use of fertility drugs and serves to explain why the chance of pregnancy is so profoundly reduced in normally ovulating women with endometriosis.
Endometriosis can be considered to be a “work in progress” because new lesions are constantly developing. So it is that for every endometriotic seen there are many non-pigmented deposits that are in the process of evolving but are not yet visible to the naked eye. Please bear in mind that such evolving (non-visible) lesions also release the same “toxins that damage the egg. Accordingly even after surgical removal of all visible lesions the invisible ones continue to release “toxins” and retain the ability to compromise natural fertilization. It also explains why surgery to remove endometriotic deposits fails to significantly improve pregnancy generating potential. In contrast, IVF, by removing eggs from the ovaries prior to ovulation, fertilizing these outside of the body and then transferring the resulting embryo(s) to the uterus, bypasses the toxic pelvic environment and is therefore is the treatment of choice in cases of endometriosis-related infertility.
I am not suggesting that all women with infertility-related endometriosis should automatically resort to In Vitro Fertilization (IVF). Quite to the contrary…. In spite of having reduced fertility potential, many women with mild to moderate endometriosis can and do go on to conceive on their own (without treatment). It is just that the chance of this happening is so is much lower than normal. So for young ovulating women (under 35 years) with endometriosis, who have normal reproductive anatomy and have fertile male partners, expectant treatment is often preferable to IUI or IVF. However, if there is any other factor is added, to the equation (pelvic adhesions, ovarian chocolate cysts, male infertility, immunologic implantation problems, advancing age (over 35 years) or diminishing ovarian reserve, IVF becomes the treatment of choice. In such cases there is simply stated, no time to waste.
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In light of this information I cannot understand why doctors persist in recommending IUI to me. I have stage 2 endometriosis and am 41 years of age and have done 4 IUI's in the last year. What a waste of time!
It just makes me angry because it's so unfair.
CZ
Can you please explain what an expectant treatment would be for unexplained infertility with open tubes and good sperm quality?
That is a question that cannot be answered without knowing the details of the case in question. The reason is that most cases of "unexplained infertility" are really not unexplained but undiagnosed.
I suggest you go to http://www.haveababy.com and set up a free consultation to discuss this matter in detail.
Geoff Sher
Two doctors have diagnosed me with Stage 4 Endometriosis. Both recommend that I proceed directly to IVF, bypassing IUI. However, my RE told me that 10 years ago, they would go in with surgery to remove my endometriosis/endometriomas; and that now they wouldn't. I went for a second consult (plus my RE doesn't do IVF) with a IVF specialist. He recommends laparoscopic surgery to remove the endometriomas. From what I read, this doesn't seem to boost success rate, and there's a risk that I will lose follicles. Is this correct? Should I go forward with the surgery?
You need IVF but only after any endometriomas have been removed surgically or by in-office sclerotherapy.
Geoff Sher
Hello I have severe endo on the bowel and pouch of douglas. I had one op and was able to conceive naturally without much trouble at 35. I have been trying to have another child for 4 years with no luck. After a second operation there has still been no luck. My doctor suggested that IVF would be a very viable option considering there is no endo on the fertility organs. What is your experience of people with endo on the bowel and secondary infertility? I really don't want to have a third operation – the last one made no different to pain or fertility, so I am guessing IVF is my only hope.
Endometriosis is one of the commonest causes of secondary infertility. The MAIN reason is that all women with endometriosis, regardless of its severity, have a "toxic pelvic environment" through which the ovulated egg must pass en route to the tube where the sperm waiting to fertilize it. The toxins render the egg envelopment relatively resistant to the sperm entering.
The fact that your endometriosis did not delay your getting pregnant before was due to "your good fortune or "luck" but this does not diminish the likelihood having difficulty in conceiving subsequently.
See the articles on endometriosis elsewhere on this blog and you will understand better.
Good luck!
Geoff sHER
I found this article very helpful. I was diagnosed on January 12th with Stage 4 ENDO. My husband and I have been trying to get pregnant for over a year. I have it everywhere: on my ovaries, around my tubes, on my ovarian blood supply (which they won't touch until I conceive), on my bowels, but mostly my uterus and bladder were attached with it. I meet with my physician tomorrow and want to have things laid on the table. She talked about doing IUI with clomid/trigger…should I try this times 3 months or just push forward to the IVF. She said she got most of the ENDO impeding with my fertility, but I am so worried about wasting the next 12 months then needing more surgery! Do you have any suggestions?
Dr. Sher,
My husband and I have been trying to get pregnant for about two years.
We saw an specialist next week, he found an endometrioma on my right ovary through an ultrasound. It measures 22mmX19mm.
He suggests we try no more than 3 IUIs and clomid before moving on to something more aggresive. The HSG test will be done during the first cycle.
The question is: are we wasting our time and money with and IUI cycle if:
1. Endometriosis have not properly being diagnosed.
2. We don't know if my tubes are open or blocked.
3. Clomid may worsen endometriosis
4. There is a toxic enviroment for the egg
5. Adhesions may impede the egg and sperm from meeting and therefore fertilizing?
6. Would an embryo be killed or affected by the toxic enviroment?
Do you have any insight into G-CSF improving endometrium as stated here on this infertility clinic's site: http://www.centerforhumanreprod.com/news_csf_endometrium_cases.html
I really have no experience with this but it strikes me that the data and the proof of efficacy is sparce at this time.
Geoff Sher
Dr. Sher,
Six years ago I had a laparoscopy done and the dr. removed my endometriosis. Two months later, I conceived my son with the help of Clomid. We tried for our second two years ago and I miscarried. We recently had every test done and then proceeded straight to IVF. Our first round of IVF failed. We met with our specialist and he said everything looked great with the embryology report and the doctor has no idea what went wrong. My question is, should I repeat another laparoscopy before a second round of IVF? I fear that the endo has returned and is causing implantation problems.
Hi April,
Unless you have an endometrioma (ovarian chocolate cyst) that would readily be recognizable by vaginal US examination, I would not do another laparoscopy. I would advise another IVF attempt. However, beforte doing this I would test for an immunologic implantation dysfunction by having your blood tested for natural killer cell activation (the K-562 target cell test). 1/3 of women with endometriosis might develop this problem and if you are one, you will not coceive even with good embryos, unless the problem is corrected through selective immunotherapy with heparanoid (heparin/lovenox/clexane)+intralipid. Read up on these topics elsewhere on this site.
Geoff Sher
P.S: Feel free to call 800-780-7437 to discuss your case with me in a free conference call by telephone.
Geoff Sher
Wow, what great information. I just completed a failed IVF cycle. I had/have stage 4 endo. I had excision surgery to remove all the adhesions and endo a couple of years ago. I developed an endometrioma during stimulation but my RE wasn't concerned about it. I'm curious how much that may have affected the failure. We transferred two gorgeous AA blasts. I also have Multiple Sclerosis so my body is very prone to inflammation. I'm curious about K-562 testing. I have tested + for lupus anticoagulant in the past. Took baby aspirin this cycle after egg retrieval.
Thank you for the information.
I understand. I responded to your post on the SIRM Discussion Board -Western Region. Please go there for details.
Read the articles elsewhere on this site pertaining to "Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction" as well as the one on "Sclerotherapy".
Feel free to call 800-780-7437 if you are interested in having a telephone consultation to discuss.
Geoff Sher
Hi Dr. Sher,
My husband and I have been trying to conceive a second child now for 15months..I have done 5 IUI's involing clomid, then femara, then Gonal-f. I have been pregnant twice, one resulting in a beautiful son and another resulting in a miscarriage- both of which I got pregnant without the need of any treatment and on the first try… . My RE thinks I may have developed endometriosis since based on all my diagnostic tests (all normal)/treatments I "should" be pregnant by now. Should I do a laproscopy to determine whether I do in fact have endometriosis or should I proceed to IVF without doing the laproscopy?
Dr. Sher,
My husband and I are both 25. We have been trying for a baby for almost 3 years. Last September we went and saw a fertility specialist and after lap sugery she diagnosed me sevre endo. The sugery was in November in the meantime everything else came back ok with my husband. My Doctor said she was able to remove most of it and my tubes were no longer blocked. We did 2 rounds of IUI with clomid and my body responded fine, but we didn’t have any luck. My Doctor said IVF is our best bet and has said this from day one, but due to finanical troulbe (our insurance doesn’t cover any fertility) we decided to go with the IUI’s. Finally we have some money to do the IVF, but only once. I am scared that this may not work and be a waste of time and money. What are your thoughts on this?
IVF is/was definitely the way to go. However, 1/3 of women with endometriosis (regardless of its severity have, in addition, immunologic implantation dysfunction associated with activated uterine natural killer cell activation (NKa) You need to get a blood test (the K-562 target cell test) to have this done because if it is positive, you will likely have an immunologic implantation dysfunction (IID) that will make the chance of pregnancy much less likely.
Also, IUI is highly UNLIKELY to be successful in endometriosis.
Please go to the articles I wrote elsewhere on this blog pertaining to NKa, Endometriosis and IID.
Feel free to call 800-780-7437 if you wish to discuss this in greater detail.
Geoff Sher
Hi,
My doctor think that i can have endo but to be sure she want to do a laparoscopy to be sure and i read that some people discover it only by ultrasound can you please clarify this issue for me, thank you.
It requires a laparoscopy to diagnose.
Geoff Sher
Hi Dr Sher,
We are trying to decide between now trying up to 3 rounds of IUI or skipping that and moving right to IVF as i have moderate endo which was removed over 6 months ago. Money is not really an issue as our health insurance will cover costs but our current FS will not consider moving straight to IVF for us. I also have high levels of ANA antibodies as well as thyroid antibodies and hashimotos. In your opinion could the additional 3 cycles of IUI in someway reduce our chances of pregnancy or just potentially delay it? I am 31.
Thanks very much,
CJ
Respectfully, in my opinion the decision is ” a no brainer”. You should go directly to IVF …and here is why:
Endometriosis gives very poor results with IUI (see below) and both endometriosis (regardless of its severity and Hashimoto’s predispose you to an immunologic implantation dysfunction (see below). In my opinion you will need IVF with selective immunotherapy for a likely associated immunologic implantation dysfunction (see below).
Please go to the home page of this blog, (www.IVFauthority.com). When you get there look for a “search bar” in the upper right hand column. Then type in the following subjects into the bar, click and this will take you to all the relevant articles I posted there.
1. “Endometriosis and IVF”
2. “Intrauterine insemination (IUI)”
3. “Thyroid autoimmune disease and IVF”
4. “Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction” (posted on May, 10th and on May 16th respectively.
5. “Embryo Implantation………” (Part-1 and Part- 2—-Posted August 2012)
6. “Traveling for IVF from Out of State/Country– The Process at SIRM-Las Vegas” (posted on March, 21st 2012)
7.“A personalized, stepwise approach to IVF at SIRM”; Parts 1 & 2 (posted March, 2012)
8. “IVF success: Factors that influence outcome”
You might consider calling 800-780-7437 or 702-699-7437 to arrange a telephone or Skype consultation (free of charge to those who reside in the United States or Canada) with me so we can discuss your case in detail.. While an audiovisual (Skype) interaction is much more personable and preferable than a discussion by telephone, either will suffice.
Geoff Sher
Hi doctor;
I have a severe endo and I want to do IVF ,I had a laproscopy 2 months ago for my right ovarian chocklet cyst .. what is your advice to me ? Do I need to do a ( K-562 test)?
thanks.
Endometriosis is associated with many complexities that involve egg quality as well as implantation issues in some. Consider calling 800-780-7437 or 702-699-7437 to arrange a Skype consultation (free of charge to those who reside in the United States or Canada) with me so we can discuss your case in detail.
In thew meanwhile, I suggest that you to the home page of this blog at http://www.IVFauthority.com . When you get to home page, look for a “search bar” in the upper right hand corner. Type the following subjects into the bar, click on it and it will take you to all the relevant articles posted there.
1. “An Individualized Approach to Ovarian stimulation” (posted on November 22nd, 2010)
2. “Ovarian Stimulation in IVF: Why is it important to down-regulate LH?”
3. “Agonist/Antagonist Conversion Protocol”
4. “Traveling for IVF from Out of State/Country– The Process at SIRM-Las Vegas” (posted on March, 21st 2012)
5.“A personalized, stepwise approach to IVF at SIRM”; Parts 1 & 2 (posted March, 2012)
6. “ Endometriosis and IVF”
Sincerely,
Geoff Sher
Hello Dr.,
After 15 months of unexplained infertility, my Dr. wanted to do IUI with clomid. When I went in for the ultrasound before the IUI they could see that I had an dermoid ovarian cyst. A month later they did a lap to take it out. During surgery they found very mild endo behind my uterus that my Dr. cauterized. She seemed optimistic about pregnancy after the surgery. My husband and I tried to get pregnant on our own with clomid for the past 2 months with no luck. My dr. wants to try IUI again with clomid.
Do you recommend this? Would another fertility drug be better? Should we just move right to IVF?
Thank you so much!
Love from Nebraska!
You can try but in my experience women with endometriosis do not do as well as controls with IUI. Read my blog on intrauterine insemination and on endometriosis on this site.
Geoff Sher
Dr Sher
My husband and I have been trying to conceive for the last 9 yrs. I have been for IVF but this was unsuccessful, as all 6 embryos died on day 5. The days prior to that the embryos were all grade 1. My Dr’s are not sure what went wrong and why all 6 embryos just died on day 5. I have just been diagnosed with having an endometrioma in my left ovary. And another specialist which i have been to see has told me that once the endometrioma has been removed surgically by laporoscopy, I should just try Artificial insemination and that should work. However, thats kind of hard for me to believe, as I have been trying to conceive for 9yrs. Do you think I should just go straight to another round of IVF once the endometrioma has been removed?
No doubt, an ovary with a greater than 1cm endometrioma will not likely produce good quality eggs/embryos. This would help explain why the embryos did not reach blastocyst. Remember, embryos that do not maker it to blastocyst are almost invariably chromosomally abnormal and “incompetent”. The endometrioma should be removed by surgery or sclerotherapy before embarking on another IVF attempt. Thereupon, the protocol of ovarian stimulation needs to be re-evaluated.
Please go to the home page of this blog, http://www.IVFauthority.com . When you get there, look for a “search bar” in the upper right hand corner. Type the following subjects into the bar, click on it and it will take you to all the relevant articles posted there.
1. “An Individualized Approach to Ovarian stimulation” (posted on November 22nd, 2010)
2. “Ovarian Stimulation in IVF: Why is it important to down-regulate LH?”
3. “Agonist/Antagonist Conversion Protocol”
4. “Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction” (posted on May, 10th and on May 16th respectively.
5. “Embryo Implantation………” (Part-1 and Part- 2—-Posted August 2012)
6. “Traveling for IVF from Out of State/Country– The Process at SIRM-Las Vegas” (posted on March, 21st 2012)
7.“A personalized, stepwise approach to IVF at SIRM”; Parts 1 & 2 (posted March, 2012)
8. “IVF success: Factors that influence outcome”
9. “Endometriosis”
10.“Sclerotherapy of ovarian endometrioma’s”
Consider calling 800-780-7437 or 702-699-7437 to arrange a Skype consultation (free of charge to those who reside in the United States or Canada) with me so we can discuss your case in detail
Geoff Sher
Dr Sher
Something else I meant to ask you is, do you think that having the endometrioma could have affected the quality of my eggs during the ivf cycle causing all my embryos to die?
Because my Dr suggested that it could by that my eggs quality is poor. I know that AMH tests do not tell you the quality of the egg only the reserve but my AMH level was very good. I think 6.8ng.
I am 36 yrs old, therefore the Dr suspects poor egg quality being the reason for the embryo’s dying.
I respectfully disagree with that opinion…see my response below.
Geoff Sher
Hi Dr Sher,
I am 36 years old. I have a endometrioma on left ovary. I have good number for AMH and all other tests.
I started the first IVF in May 2013. After 4 days of stimulation, I get 8-9 enlarged follicles on right side, but only 2-3 on left. Apparently, the left ovary is not stimulated well.
Do you think the stimulation inefficacy on left is due to the endometrioma?
I have consulted 2 RE doctors (including the IVF doc), they both suggested not removing the cyst. But the stimulation fact says the opposite. What do you think?
I am very much worried that for there won’t be good quality eggs retrieved. Time will tell soon.
Thanks a lot,
Flora from California
In my opinion it is very likely the endometrioma having an adverse effect on follicle/egg development on your affected side. I would strongly advocate its removal.
Geoff Sher
Sorry, forgot to mention the endometrioma size is 2.46cm.
Copy! That is large enough to warrant removal or sclerotherapy.
Geoff Sher
The reason why those REs recommend not removing endometrioma is to preserve as much follicles as possible. Any surgical procedure will damage follicles.
My AFC is 14, 7 on each side. That is why I am very disappointed on left side ovary respond poorly to stimulation medication.
Flora from CA
I understand but there is a trade off. That is also where sclerotherapy comes in because it is a non-surgical way to effectively treat endometriomas. Read up on Sclerotherapy on this blog.
Geoff Sher
Thanks for such a great blog. I have had stage 4 endo my whole life, conceived naturally after an op to remove it at 35, then tried for five years with no luck. I did everything you said here – more operations, clomid, IUI with no luck. Then tried IVF and it worked first go! I could hardly believe it. Our second child is almost 2 now. I would recommend going straight to IVF with anyone with Endo. The other problem I noticed was the drugs used made my endo worse, so being on them for longer just caused so much pain, so doing IVF at least is a better option in this regard, as after egg pick up you will hopefully not need any meds during implanation etc.
WE should talk. Please call 800-780-7437 or 702-699-7437 to arrange a Skype consultation (free of charge to those who reside in the United States or Canada) with me so we can discuss your case in detail
Geoff Sher
I have endo and and have been seeing my gyn for 5 months for ttc. I had 3 rounds of clomid 50 mg day with timed intercourse. 2 IUI with clomid. Last dose was 100 mg day. Now my period cramps started 4 dp iui. I’m having severe menstrual cramps and very sad and upset. Do you think I should keep my appointment with an RE next week or just quit trying. Does every clinic text for toxins caused by endo and killer cells? I had to quit my job due to the pain.
Thank you very much.
Perhaps we should talk.
Please go to the home page of this blog, http://www.IVFauthority.com. When you get there, look for a “search bar” in the upper right hand corner. Type the following subjects into the bar, click on it and it will take you to all the relevant articles posted there.
1. “An Individualized Approach to Ovarian stimulation” (posted on November 22nd, 2010)
2. “Ovarian Stimulation in IVF: Why is it important to down-regulate LH?”
3. “Agonist/Antagonist Conversion Protocol”
4. “Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction” (posted on May, 10th and on May 16th respectively.
5. “Embryo Implantation………” (Part-1 and Part- 2—-Posted August 2012)
6. “Traveling for IVF from Out of State/Country– The Process at SIRM-Las Vegas” (posted on March, 21st 2012)
7.“A personalized, stepwise approach to IVF at SIRM”; Parts 1 & 2 (posted March, 2012)
8. “Endometriosis”
Call 800-780-7437 or 702-699-7437 to arrange a Skype consultation (free of charge to those who reside in the United States or Canada) with me so we can discuss your case in detail
Geoff Sher